Monday, November 20, 2006

Arabian Nightmares

YESTERDAY, 80 terrorists in police uniforms raided an Iraqi research institute in Baghdad, rounded up 100-plus male students, loaded them into vehicles in broad daylight and drove away.

They couldn't have pulled it off without the complicity of key elements within the Iraqi security services and the government: "our guys."

The students probably will be executed and dumped somewhere. Partly for the crime of wanting to study and build a future, but primarily just to step up the level of terror yet again.

Apart from highlighting the type of regime of which both Shia and Sunni Arab extremists dream - a land of disciplined ignorance and slavish devotion - the mass kidnapping also highlights the feebleness of our attempts to overcome ruthless enemies with generosity and good manners.

With Iraqi society decomposing - or, at best, reverting to a medieval state with cell phones - the debate in Washington over whether to try to save the day by deploying more troops or withdrawing some is of secondary relevance.

What really matters is what our forces are ordered - and permitted - to do. With political correctness permeating our government and even the upper echelons of the military, we never tried the one technique that has a solid track record of defeating insurgents if applied consistently: the rigorous imposition of public order.

That means killing the bad guys. Not winning their hearts and minds, placating them or bringing them into the government. Killing them.

If you're not willing to lay down a rule that any Iraqi or foreign terrorist masquerading as a security official or military member will be shot, you can't win. And that's just one example of the type of sternness this sort of fight requires.

With the situation in Iraq deteriorating daily, sending more troops would simply offer our enemies more targets - unless we decided to use our soldiers and Marines for the primary purpose for which they exist: To fight.

32 Comments:

At 10:32 AM, Blogger Elizabeth said...

And how do you plan to determine who the bad guys are? That seems to be the difficulty. Otherwise the problems would have been solved already.

 
At 12:32 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

That means killing the bad guys. Not winning their hearts and minds, placating them or bringing them into the government. Killing them...exactly right AC but dont dare say that to a Lib..they'll accuse u of being a hater..Of course your enemies are never the haters........sheesh.

 
At 12:41 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

No one's expecting to wave a wand and *poof* everything will be totally solved.

We must minimize the ones that "get away" because we aren't killing them outright. If our standing orders were to shoot to kill when we spot them, rather than call for permission to shoot, the problem wouldn't be so bad!

Also, we must use KILLING THE ENEMY as a deterrent!

 
At 1:12 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

I admit that identifying the enemy in this war poses difficulties more challenging than past wars. Our enemy doesn't wear a uniform, they're not all from one country, they fight without rules, they have no morals, no negotiable goals.
They don't want our property, our money our industries.
What they want is our freedoms. They use the death of civilians (even their own people) as weapons.
But because it's difficult we shouldn't try? Our military is being handcuffed for the sake of political correctness. Let them do their job.

 
At 1:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elizabeth

Life is not like a sitcom where everything is solved in thirty minutes. However, a defeatist attitude is what the far left does best.

 
At 1:38 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Elizabeth...you will need to learn the following Koranic verse just in case we lose the war on terror...

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them (4:34).

 
At 2:43 PM, Blogger Elizabeth said...

ac, the Old Testament, and Peter in the New Testament, say similar things...

 
At 2:44 PM, Blogger Elizabeth said...

"Life is not like a sitcom where everything is solved in thirty minutes"

I never suggested any such thing. Rather, it's some people here who believe in simplistic solutions like "kill 'em all."

 
At 2:44 PM, Blogger Elizabeth said...

"Life is not like a sitcom where everything is solved in thirty minutes"

I never suggested any such thing. Rather, it's some people here who believe in simplistic solutions like "kill 'em all."

 
At 2:47 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Elizabeth said, "And how do you plan to determine who the bad guys are? That seems to be the difficulty. Otherwise the problems would have been solved already."

The problem isn’t in Iraq, it’s in Western civilization.

As long as the "protest" movement can be counted on to further Baathist and Al Qaeda propaganda we will always have these problems.

The insurgents gain no strategic points from these actions other than to hearten the propaganda of the critics of the Iraqi reconstruction.

It used to be that massacres were widely reported to advance the propaganda of countries at war. The Bataan Death March was a rallying cry for the US. Germany thrilled to the discovery of mass graves of Polish military officers and aristocracy in the Katyn Forest massacre. (Anti-Semitism prevented the use of the holocaust for political gain during the war.) …Crimes committed by a country’s enemies were once valuable sources of propaganda.

These days the opposite is true. The US and Israel have become responsible not only for their own war crimes, but also for the war crimes of their enemies. In this environment our enemies are encouraged to commit such crimes, especially in light of the fact that they are militarily insignificant compared to the US and Israel.

Our military is doing a fantastic job and have a considerable list of achievements. However, they cant defend every bakery, restaurant, factory, wedding, funeral, mosque, government building, utility structure/building, shopping mall, house, apartment, repair shop, school, university, transportation facility, stadium, medical institution, office building, -and- every public or private facility in the entire country.

These attacks will only end when they do not return such extensive political gains and those committing such offenses should be assigned the rightful blame for the actions that they commit. SUCH CRIMES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR POLITICAL GAIN.

 
At 4:00 PM, Blogger FreeCyprus said...

Killing the bad guys we catch? A part of me wants that because there's very little chance they'll change. But I'm thinking of all their sons and nephews who'll look up to the bad guy as a martyr to the cause...maybe if we keep him locked up not ALL of his sons and nephews will grow up trying to kill us, only some of them.

I don't know...there are no easy answers. We issue new Iraqi police force uniforms, changing the entire look and feel of them...and days later copies are available for sale in the market places. Unfortunately, many don't need the fake uniforms as many members of the Iraqi police forces are loyal to some Shiite militia.

...and no one's going to admit THAT when they're signing up.

 
At 4:03 PM, Blogger FreeCyprus said...

It's difficult to fight a war with one hand tied behind your back, agreed. I don't think we've done that to the men and women of the US Armed Forces, not yet anyway. No one asks for permission to shoot when being shot at. We just shoot. Iraq or Afghanistan, we just shoot back.

But yes...we have "rules of engagement" however the enemy is NOT playing by the same rules.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6542346/site/newsweek/

"For the insurgents, Iraq has become a war without rules, and yet the militants also score big propaganda victories every time Americans break their own codes of warfare. In the battle for Fallujah the insurgents feigned surrender, waving white flags to approach within killing range of U.S. Marines and Iraqi government forces. They positioned their fighters in mosques, medical centers and civilian neighborhoods. They booby-trapped their fallen comrades' corpses and shot at crews trying to collect the Muslim dead. Practically every taboo has been discarded. Women, children and international relief groups have become deliberate targets. Ambulances are used to smuggle weapons. Torture of hostages has become a public spectacle, with videos passed out like press kits to TV stations, and posted on the Internet when the Arabic channels balk at showing such atrocities.

The insurgents may not win many hearts and minds, but that's not the point. Their fighting force is based on a shamelessly cynical alliance between Qaeda-inspired religious fanatics and the remnants of Saddam Hussein's gang of enforcers. The jihadis have nothing but contempt for Iraq's Shiite majority, and their newfound Baathist friends share that attitude. Their allied forces are waging an extreme form of asymmetric warfare—the weak struggling against the mighty. Sympathizers insist the insurgents have no choice but to break the rules against the Americans' overwhelming firepower. The fighters' ideology, as far as they have one, derives from a doomsday vision known among Islamic experts as the Takfiri philosophy. Adherents consider themselves empowered to decide who is a good Muslim and to exterminate everyone else (the kafirs) in the name of creating a pure Islamic state."

 
At 5:06 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Why do you make terrorists out to be the bad guys?

Dont you know that US troops are maliciously engaged in spending billions of US taxpayer dollars for reconstruction projects and bringing criminals like Saddam Hussein and al-Zarqawi to justice?

Stop US imperialism which viciously destroys dictatorships. Its time to Support the Resistance! (By the way, are you guys going to the peace rally this weekend?)

 
At 5:40 PM, Blogger Gayle said...

My apologies, AC. I don't have the time to read all the comments here, so if I duplicate someone else's comment, I'm sorry. But for me right now, time is of the essence.

"Fight" you say? Really fight this war? What a novel idea, AC. Wonder why our government doesn't think of that? The insurgents think we are fools and sadly, they are right!

 
At 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elizabeth

You have to stop reading Mother Jones and listening to Pacifica radio. I will now do special ed 1001.

All the states in the Middle East have no basis in reality. There is no such thing as a Pseudostinian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Saudi and so forth. Every one of these states was put for illogically by a cynical Anglo-French treaty in 1920
Sykes-Picot. The treaty sold the Kurds and Armenians out to Arab Hegemony and the first ethnicaslly cleansed Judenrhein state of Jordan was formed on 80% of the soil.

There is no Iraq and in reality there are three states. A Kurdish Northern State, A Shiite Southern State and the Sunni triangle. The country really should be broken up but Turkey is screaming bloody murder. Since they obstructed the war they should have no say. The Saudis are petrified of a Arab Shia state as all their Oil is in the adjacent areas of Saudi Arabia with a mistreated Shia minority.

Lastly there is the Sunni triangle. The polulation of the Sunni triangle is the same as that of Jordan and the Pseudostinians. This territory should be anexed by Jordan.

There are no Palestinians and this is a Communist Con game started by Nasser after the Six day war. It seems dolts like yourself were not sympathetic to throw the Jews into the Sea and Eat at KFC. Thus a fictitious ethnicity was created with zero basis in history. The same logic would have Brooklynites as Canarsie Indians. Brooklynites also have world class poets, baseball teams, actors, scholars and the Pseudostians have homicidal killers. Kindly read the PLO charter at your leisure.

 
At 6:52 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Crusader,
reverting to a medieval state with cell phones

Good analogy.

In Iraq, the "insurgents" could be likened to the American colonists during the War for Independence. Don't get me wrong: I'm not calling the "insurgents" freedom fighters. Rather, I'm thinking about their version of ROE: individuals can be enemies are not--no way to tell until it's too late. Then we have the coalition troops, who are fighting much as the British did in the War for Independence--our troops are easily identifiable and obvious targets.

As to these terrorists dressing in police uniforms, I see them as I do spies, who when caught behind the lines, should be executed.

From the link which Free Cyprus left:

"...The fighters' ideology, as far as they have one, derives from a doomsday vision known among Islamic experts as the Takfiri philosophy. Adherents consider themselves empowered to decide who is a good Muslim and to exterminate everyone else (the kafirs) in the name of creating a pure Islamic state."

The toughest kind of enemy to fight because of the "religious" element.

 
At 7:40 PM, Blogger Obob said...

Curse from Allah, i hate getting in a good thread late as usual. All the good points are made and I sound like a retread.
Well hell, good night

 
At 9:10 PM, Blogger lilfeathers2000 said...

It seems that the good guys there have a clue who the bad guys are. Now if everyone would back off and let the Iraqi's and the fighting forces do their jobs this thing would end.
As much as it irks the 'gentle folks' this is a life and death situation and it needs to be handled that way.

 
At 6:41 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

"These days the opposite is true. The US and Israel have become responsible not only for their own war crimes, but also for the war crimes of their enemies. In this environment our enemies are encouraged to commit such crimes, especially in light of the fact that they are militarily insignificant compared to the US and Israel."

A perfect example is how Israel gets blamed for the recent conflict with Hezbollah despite the fact that Hezbollah kidnapped Israeli soldiers. The soldiers are STILL being held.
More than four months have passed since Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev were kidnapped by Hezbollah.
Where is the international outcry?

 
At 10:13 AM, Blogger Elizabeth said...

I'm not going to even bother to comment on "beakerkin"s racist demonization of Palestinians--who by the way have an extensive culture of dance, art and embroidery. I would like to point out in regards to

"All the states in the Middle East have no basis in reality"

You could add Israel to that list. It didn't exist until it was created by warfare in 1948. It was an entity invented by European zionists. It's no more natural than Iraq or the other countries you mentioned.

 
At 11:14 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Elizabeth..there is no doubt in my mind that your an intelligent person who is held in high regard by friends and family. I'm willing to bet that in times of trouble, people would turn to you and you'd be there for them.
That's why it's so difficult for me to understand why you equate Israel's right for self-defense with homicide bombers who PURPOSELY target innocent people.
You equate the Koran with the Bible and the Torah.
You justify Islamic atrocities happening today with the Crusades that happened in the 13th century.
Israel dates back to 2500 B.C. and Moses.
There is no such thing as a Palestinian state. Arafat was born in Egypt. Even the name Palestine refers to the people the Romans called Philistines.
In truth...I'm at a loss.

 
At 11:23 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

This is from a "Palestinian" leader..
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

Even they know that "Palestine" is a myth.
Joshua conquered the Land God promised the Jews in the 13th century BCE. King David established Jerusalem as the capital of Israel around 1000 BCE. King Solomon built the Jewish Temple about 960 BCE. This was almost 1000 years before the beginning of Christianity and 1600 years before the rise of Islam. As Prime Minister Barak has noted, "When Jesus came to Jerusalem to celebrate the feasts, he didn't come to a church or a mosque, he came to the Temple."
The second Jewish war with the Romans took place in 132-135 CE. Led by Rabbi Akiva and Simon bar Kochba, the Jewish uprising was crushed by the Roman Emperor Hadrian who sought to de-Judaize Jerusalem and make it a pagan city. Hadrian renamed Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina" in honor of Jupiter. He changed the name of Judea and gave it the name of the Jews ancient enemy, the Philistines.

 
At 11:27 AM, Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

The entire ROE is completely off-spectrum in Iraq. The apologetics and tolerance must stop. ROE must be reviewed to enforce a more offensive posture.

 
At 11:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elizabeth

How is one a racist against a group that doesn't even qualify as an etnicity much less a race. Are you going to reinvent the English language or are you too ignorant to acknowledge the correct term is bigot. The fact that you are oblivious to history and logic is not my problem.

When in doubt cry racist or fascist
straight out of the far left play book. Any time you are ready for humiliation lets compare the following alleged ethnicities on a Grid

Jews Commanches Assyrians Kurds Brooklynites and Pseudostinians.

There is no basis for this ethnicity. What you are endorsing is yet another Judenfrei ethnically cleansed Arab state. Arabs allready posses 22 states on mostly stolen land. This greed for land from one of many people they abused for 1400 years is absurd.

 
At 12:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elizabeth

You also neglect to mention who started the war in 1948. It seems the Arabs started that one and lost.

Lets see so we can now form an ethnicity based upon dance, art and embrodery. How about a nation of Bufalo based on hot wings? Shall
we have a nation of DA Bronx based on grafitti and break dancing? How about Kansascitystan based upon Barbeque and Lees Fried Chicken.

I would like to form the NOB Nation of Brooklyn with Spike Lee as our ruler. We claim we are Canarsie Indians and all you non Brooklyners known as fish stick eating fools have to vamoose.

 
At 12:25 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

"ac, the Old Testament, and Peter in the New Testament, say similar things..."

Such as...?

 
At 2:55 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

brooke..I haven't a clue.

 
At 3:34 PM, Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

I liked obob's comment the best.
There has been 10 comments after you wrote that. That's funny.

Great points AC, keep up the great work!

FTGF!

 
At 4:39 AM, Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

Guys,

If you read Elizabeth's blog, you can see that it's hopeless explaining anything to her. She's probably the most far left, anti-American, palestinian supporting, communistic idealist person I have ever encountered in blogging.

What's even more scarier is I think she is a grade school teacher. Imagine OUR kids being in HER class. I've already had a liberal teacher fired in our area because she slammed the president in class.

 
At 7:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

AC

I am doing a satire on an ethnicity founded on embrodiery and dance. I have visited Elizabeth's blog as well and was well aware of what we are dealing with.

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Steve...I was a teacher as well for several years. I obviously have a conservative viewpoint but my goal was to get my students to think for themselves...not to just take my word for anything.
Hopefully Elizabeth does the same.

 
At 2:59 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

I find it curious that her blog condemns the NY Times as too conservative and maintains a strange fetish with the Israeli Question.

For years I have had an interest in the fanaticism of Jehovah Witnesses. I would eagerly read the Watchtower magazine so that I could gain some insight about what inspires a mainstream cult.

I get the same feeling when reading Elizabeth's blog.

 

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